Trying to Get the Rapture Right (Pt.9)

Part Eight

Israel means Israel

I am a pretribulationist.  I think my main reasons for being so are theological, in particular the covenantal issues concerning the nation of Israel are a central concern to me.  But I am not pretribulational because I adopt a form of theological hermeneutics (now so fashionable in some quarters).  I have already made it clear that rapture scenarios cannot (in my opinion) rise above a “best explanation” conclusion.  That is equivalent to a C3 in my Rules of Affinity.  It will just not do to conflate Israel’s restoration promises with the future of the Church.  The Body of Christ needs no restoration.

Often in the prophetic literature we come across predictions of final restoration and comfort for Israel, presaged by a time of great upheaval.  Many times the texts involved include the phrase “In that day.”  A sampling would include: Isa. 10:20-23; Isa. 24:17-23; Isa. 35:1-10; Isa. 40:1-5; Isa. 61:1-3; Jer. 30:3-11; Ezek. 34:11-31; Ezek. 36:1-38;Dan. 12:1-3; Zech. 13:8-9; Zech. 14:1-9.

Frequently these passages come nestled within covenantal contexts, indicating the purposive current of God’s greater plan for the nation is still at work.  The point is that there is a lot of expectation built up for Israel to run into a distinctive time of affliction.  This time of woe precedes the coming again of Jesus Christ, as is shown in Matthew 24 and Mark 13.

I have already commented on the Israeli focus in tribulation texts in the Book of Revelation.  If we isolate those passages which speak about a three and a half year period (corresponding too closely to Daniel 7:25 not to be intentional), we find this pattern:

Revelation 11:1-3 – the overrunning of the temple (Matt. 24:15-20; cf. 2 Thess. 2:4), in “the holy city” and the ministry of the two prophets.

Revelation 12:1-6, 13-14 – I have given reasons for identifying the woman as Israel (Pt. 6).  Incidentally, I view pretribulationist attempts to make the “man-child” of 12:5 the raptured Church as highly unlikely.

The scene is decidedly Jewish and nationalistic.  The Church is conspicuous by its absence.  So if we tie these time references to the last part of the Seventieth Week we should not expect to find the Church there, thus avoiding an Israel/Church mixture which interferes with covenantal expectations.  And if the link between these texts and “the time of Jacob’s Trouble” in Jeremiah 30:6 is sound, one again would expect Jacob (Israel) to be the subject, not the Church.

Even a post-tribulationist like Robert Gundry sees this:

The seventy weeks have to do with the Jews.  We cannot spiritualize the phrase “your people”
(v.24) into a spiritual Israel inclusive of the Gentiles without doing violence to the plain sense of the passage.  For example, the destruction of Jerusalem, spoken of prominently in the prophecy, deals with Israel the nation.  And yet, since in the seventy weeks the goals listed in verse twenty-four were to be accomplished, the seventy weeks cannot have enturely elapsed, for the finishing of Israel’s transgression, the purging of her iniquity, and the bringing in of her everlasting righteousness have not reached completion.  Paul writes of these as still in the future for Israel (Rom. 11:25-27). – Robert H. Gundry, The Church and the Tribulation, 189

One People?

The (non PD) pretribulational position is the only one which does not confuse Israel with the Church.  Hence, it is the only position which confronts the covenantal promises to national Israel squarely as direct (C1) propositions, conceding no appreciable “propositional distance” between the covenant promises and the inferences which can be based upon them.  Posttribulationists do not have much regard for Israel/Church distinctions, since they admit a good deal of their brand of typological interpretation and supercessionist thinking to make sure the problem doesn’t arise.  Midtribulationists and PreWrathers speak of a separation of Israel from the Church, as do Progressive Dispensationalists, but they eventually collapse everything down to the concept of “the one people of God”.  This just ends up looking like a case of beating around the bush to arrive at much the same place as the posttribulationist.

But the idea of more than one people of God looks to be clear cut if all the direct statements of Scripture’s eschatological prophecies are allowed to stand unchallenged.  It is on these exegetically derived premises that the theological issues ought to be determined.  We must, at every juncture, ask, “what does it say?”  Context must speak with decisiveness.  The modern ploy of pushing out the context so that it envelops the whole Bible is palpably ridiculous to anyone familiar with and scrupulous about word meanings.  Context cannot mean non-context.  That is not how progressive revelation works.

In Part One I mentioned how Ben Witherington had explained the rapture in 1 Thessalonians 4 as the entourage going out to meet the returning Christ in line with the custom of the day.  But there is a problem.  The Church is not an entourage, it is the Bride.  One wonders why such a brilliant scholar doesn’t make the distinction.  At least a part of the answer is because he cannot conceive of more than one people of God.  I have elsewhere argued that not only does God like variety but the ‘three-in-oneness’ of “The Triadic People of God” pattern which emerges from tracing the flow of the Biblical Covenants seems completely consonant with scriptural revelation.

6 thoughts on “Trying to Get the Rapture Right (Pt.9)”

  1. Dr. Henebury, In what category would you place the tribulation saints of Revelation 7:9-13? The passage describes them as saved Gentiles from every nation who endured persecution in the Great Tribulation, many of them martyred (Revelation 20:4). It would seem to me that if the Church is removed at a pretribulational rapture, how would these saints organize themselves and gather for worship and edification if not by using the Church model? They would also be saved in the same manner as Church era saints, by grace through faith in Christ and therefore they would be “called out” ones in a similar manner.

    After Pentecost, the temple rituals continued some 37 years, co-existing with the Church until the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 A.D. Even though the eschatological focus will turn towards Israel, it could be that there could be a similar overlap with the church age at the end as there was in its beginning. (That said, I hope I’m wrong because I really don’t want the Church age saints going through any of the Great Tribulation.)

    1. Great response. I think the idea of gentile Tribulation Saints present us with three people of God. The Church, Israel, and “Tribulation Saints.” At least that would be consistantly following ones interpretative approach. Are there any other distinct peoples of God?

    2. To take your second paragraph first, the answer must come back that the Church began at Pentecost and any “overlap” does not alter that fact. The Church as a Body was instantiated. Israel as a nation could have responded (at least to Acts 3), but didn’t. In the foreknowledge of God this does not cause a contradiction since God foreknew the response. (This is why the eschatological question of, e.g. the coming of Elijah will occur, yet if Israel would have accepted Jesus then John the Baptist could stand for Elijah.) This means that two streams were in active during this brief period (c. A.D. 26-33?). But this leaves God’s plan for Israel to be addressed (Rom. 11:25f).

      The first paragraph states things which are true of OT saints for the most part. The ‘church model’ is really incidental. The theological issues involved make the difference.

      God bless,

      Paul H

      1. You wrote: “This means that two streams were in active during this brief period (c. A.D. 26-33?).”

        This would nicely accommodate the last 3.5 years of the 70th week of Dan. given the 70th week literally followed the 69th! Some overlap of the technical beginning of the church but the focus is not robbed from Israel since the church is not revealed until Paul according to Ryrie (I believe).

  2. My comment is being delayed, perhaps. If my comment , dear friend, was out of line, please do forgive me. Grace and Peace.

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